Union with God, Enoch and Elijah, and Visionary Saints

Fr. Josh discusses what it means to become partakers of God’s divine nature, how Enoch and Elijah were taken up to heaven prior to the time of Christ, and how the Church looks at mental health when investigating apparitions and visions.

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“Connection is more important than perfection.”


“For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.”- St. Athanasius


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Union with God 

Hi Fr. Josh,

I have a lot of Mormon/LDS friends and one topic that has come up is deification – their belief that they can become gods and rule their own planet in the next life. They quoted St. Irenaeus, who said that God had “become what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself.” as well as other church fathers. I did some research, and it looks like Catholic teaching includes deification to a certain degree, but I’m confused. Do we, as Catholics, believe that we will become like God to a level that we’re equal with Him? Thanks for your help!


Enoch & Elijah

My question is regarding the Old Testament, the Bible says that Enoch was taken to heaven and a chariot took Elijah to heaven but I was taught that no one actually went to heaven before Jesus died and bridged that gap. Where were Enoch and Elijah when they were taken to heaven?


Visionary Saints

I’ve been reading a lot about marian apparitions and saints who have experienced miraculous visions. I was wondering how the church determines whether or not these visions are from God or if the person is simply experiencing psychosis. Many people with schizophrenia or other mental health disorders experience religious visions. How do we know visionary saints didn’t simply suffer with mental illness?



Meet Fr. Josh Johnson

While Fr. Josh was raised Catholic, he didn’t like the Church growing up. Then, one day in adoration, he fell in love with Jesus and received the call to become a priest.

Now, Fr. Josh is the Vocations Director of the Diocese of Baton Rouge in Louisiana. He is a presenter in four of Ascension’s programs: Altaration, YOU: Life, Love, and the Theology of the Body, The 99, and Connected: Catholic Social Teaching for This Generation, as well as the author of Broken and Blessed: An Invitation to My Generation, Pocket Guide to Adoration, and co-author of Pocket Guide to Reconciliation.


  1. Enoch, Elijah, innocent birds animals fish, Messiah are equals and accessed Heaven equally. Many teachings during times of earlier Messiahs were not preserved, many cannibalism verses were added ( instead of symbolic interpreting) and the bible cones across as confused and not perfect. Thus, scientific thinking and comparing scriptures with scriptures as book of Corinthians refers is essential to be able to follow only the wholly true

  2. Beloved Fr. Josh in Christ, we are all focusing beyond this world. The wondrous works of God are all unimaginable circumstances as we were just born yesterday. However, God works in a man for miracle things still today as Elijah’s works exist for destructions to those sinners as we perceived through the will of God. God in Christ Jesus is the Truth. Amen.


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